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Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:24:00 -
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Quote:ideally its going to take aprox 50seconds, you join the channle with your victim, you ask if anyone will do the ransom, a tusker will answer yes (if noone asnwers after 20seconds do the ransom without tusker ransom service), you tell the victim to send the isk in 30 seconds, once he confirms he has sent it the tusker will check his wallet and cornfirm that it arrived, you let the victim go, he confirms he is safe, the tusker will send you the isk!
This is putting complete trust in The Tuskers and the ransomee which doesn't put the ransomer in a great position.
1) The Tuskers could just take the ISK and not give it to you. I know they'll say they got this gay code but that in itself could just be an elaborate ploy to gain your trust. They'll say there well known around the world of EVE. But are they? Really? Ok, the prerequisite to join is to have a blog so some of you may know them.
2) The ransomee can just lie and say the ransomer hasn't let them go therefore they won't get the ransom ISK and the ransomee gets their ISK back. Is someone from The Tuskers going to be there for the ransom? I highly doubt it.
3) 50 seconds? Come on. If no-one's there then it'll take longer. 50 seconds is ample time for a semi-skilled pilot to get back to the gate/station/wherever so this service is ultimately flawed. |

Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:34:00 -
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Is this the best answer you could come up with for your flawed system?
If you're going to go down the route of idle tittle taddle, why don't you lot fly anything bigger than frigates? |

Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:50:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Odin Tribus wrote:Is this the best answer you could come up with for your flawed system?
If you're going to go down the route of idle tittle taddle, why don't you lot fly anything bigger than frigates? I don't see you presenting a better system or solution. But then ofc creativity or original thought from people that have camped the same 2 gates for half a decade would be nothing short of a minor miracle. 
I am not here to offer a better solution, I am merly poining out the holes that need to be addressed for it to be successful.
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Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:00:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:Your 3 points have already been addressed, but for your sake I'll go over them again. 1) We have never dishonoured a ransom. In situations where the ransom is invalidated by missiles in the tubes, rats killing the tackled ship etc., we have reimbursed the victim. I'm not even sure how some (not all) of us having blogs could be construed as a negative - perhaps literacy & a sense of community are overrated? 2) As mentioned previously, if this occurs the ransomer can provide a screenshot showing that the target has left the grid & system after letting him go. 3) Learn to bump stuff off stations/stargates? Also, not everyone in space is simply moving from point A to point B, there are explorers, mission runners, PI alts etc. running around in space! The frigate thing is so silly, our most common ship class is battlecruisers as both EveKill - http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=24195&view=ships_weapons&m=07&y=2012 (feel free to go back a few months!) & BattleClinic shows - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=The+Tuskers#kills.
1) This is all on a he said she said basis. I never said blogs were negative did I? Just a requirement to join your lot hence the EVE fame. It seems literacy hasn't rubbed off as you can't read/translate.
2) I hope the screenshot isn't the solution if there's a dispute DURING the ransom. This would significantly hold up proceedings giving the ransomee a chance to escape or get back-up.
3) Bumps off gates and stations do work, I'll concede that however not 100% of the time.
Quote: Hi United alt, thanks for the bump! Speaking of bumps, you should perhaps learn how to bump people off gates/stations or fight off them!
This is meant to be taken as constructive criticism and I hoped you'd react in a dignified way rather than a big baby initially. Oh and United alt? |

Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 10:30:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:You are making a claim that we dishonour ransoms. We have evidence that we do honour ransoms - our ransom board, our disused individual threads on our forums & personal testimonials from people who we've ransomed and who've dealt with us. Where is your evidence that we dishonour ransoms other than speculation?
The blog thing is ridiculous. Please list all 86 Tusker blogs + the blogs owned by ex-members or the recruitment requirement that you keep harping on about. Some of us have blogs. Most of us don't.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by a dispute during the ransom? Do you mean if the guy getting ransomed warps off after depositing the ISK but then doesn't confirm that he's safe? In that case, he's already escaped and taking a screenshot will hardly put you in any danger..
Well, when stuff jumps into a pair of 90% webs, range bonused webs and there's Macheriels on the gate, then yes, you have pretty much all the time in the world barring external influences to ransom him.
Yes I am aware of who you are!
I'm afraid you don't know who I am as I have absolutely no idea what you're getting so uppity about.
I have never said or breathed anything about you dishonouring ransoms, why would you say that? Have you? Is your guilty conscience eating away at you?
I never mentioned anything about 86 Tusker blogs. If that's how many you have then congratulations!
The dispute scenario that came to mind was that you may give the ISK back to the ransomee due to a lie therefore rendering the situation null and void.
Once again I am trying to offer constructive criticism however you seem to have jumped so some sort of conclusion about who I am supposed to be. I fear for the people in your channel as your behaviour so far has not shown any signs that you're trustworthy.
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Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:47:00 -
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Odin Tribus wrote:I have never said or breathed anything about you dishonouring ransoms, why would you say that? Have you? Is your guilty conscience eating away at you? ----------- Really?
Yes, really. Show me evidence please.
Odin Tribus wrote:1) The Tuskers could just take the ISK and not give it to you. I know they'll say they got this gay code but that in itself could just be an elaborate ploy to gain your trust.---------- I never mentioned anything about 86 Tusker blogs. If that's how many you have then congratulations! ---------- We have 86 current Tuskers. If we require members to have a blog, surely there would be 86 Tusker blogs out there.
I still haven't said anything about 86 Tuskers blogs. You sir, are delusional.
Odin Tribus wrote:The dispute scenario that came to mind was that you may give the ISK back to the ransomee due to a lie therefore rendering the situation null and void. ---------- Once again, if the ransomee and the ransomer are in disagreement regarding the situation, then the ransomer can provide a screenshot of the ransomee safely away - not in local and not on grid for example.
You haven't answered the dispute I raised nor read it properly. |

Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:48:00 -
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Jaxley wrote: The few issues and small loopholes have been brought up elsewhere and we were able to plug them in our public protocol (http://the-tuskers.info/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3767). Short version: dude paid us, says he's still captive, pirates say nuh-uh, we wait 24h and look for an API verified killmail before the ISK changes hands again.
Brought up elsewhere? I do believe this was brought up on this very forum post. |

Odin Tribus
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:07:00 -
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OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote:*NEWSFLASH*
negative 10 chief executive officer OUTRAGED at ILLEGAL mail! Fortress Rancer in standstill as his team of caveman like luddites leave their smartbombing ISK MAKING MACHINES to scratch their heads in UTTER DISBELIEF. It has been reported that one of the members accidentally hit the jump button causing his ship to IMPLODE. Medical teams are on the case, a negative 10 branded capsule was seen circling the gate in a confused state, unable to hit F1 he is trying to be coaxed into jumping back into his safety nest.
More at 10.
OH.
+1 to this service. Good luck Tuskers.
what a knob |
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